>Probably it's better (and with no doubt more interesting) to create
>"virtual world spaces" than to speak about them?
>
>Dmitry Shubin
>
>
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>> From: Viktor A.Mazin <ppkab@dux.ru>
>> Date: 23 =E8=FE=ED=FF 1997 =E3. 4:32
>> But what kind of 'reality' could replace seductive netspace? I could read
>> a book and think about event horizon, I could sleep and see fascinating
>> dreams,
>> I could masturbate and have amusing fantasies, I could watch movies and
>> be
>> caught
>> by sweet fear.
>> Olessia Tourkina
=46rom: "Brandon Van Every" <vanevery@blarg.net>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 20:17:16 -0700
Reality has set in... People get distracted,
people hit (R)eply without thinking about subject titles...
?? so we're not going to consider states of distraction as a potential subje=
ct?
?? i think that's rather unfortunate...
=46rom: lonsway <lonsway@ibm.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 09:13:34 -0500
Desire for focus agreed upon;
?? any thoughts on the relation of that desire to the structural
possibilites for discourse that this platform offers and on one level might
even provide an oportunity to articulate and implement??
I generally prefer to have discussions of this
level off-line, where the moderation of a panel or symposium
(and their limited durations) are more able to sustain a discreet set of
topics.
?? it seems to me that an attempt at this point in the history of this list
to impose (and sustain) "a discrete set of topics" would be unfortunate.
jordan's introductory remarks already contain a tremendous generative
potential, and an attempt to reframe the discourse in terms of "focused
goals" (who's goals?) neglects to recognize the real work needing to be
done in terms of implementing what this list is currently addressing. i am
always struck by the blindess we have historically brought with us in face
of technological development. how some things about that technolgy just
simply can't bee seen because in reality we're looking for something else
(what might that be?)... consider Vertov... and i'm completely bored with
the notion that this current technology we are attempting to probe and
interrogate must be understood through applying 'real world' (what might
that mean?) models as a frame or filter by which this 'netspace' is to be
understood. i'm much more interested in how this technology riples
through, shifts, and realigns the social envirionments that constitute this
world, and how these currents might be intervened within and redirected
toward perhaps some other adgenda (what might that be?)
I welcome the variety of interests, but would like to
be participating in a set of focused conversations rather than a field of
friendly chats.
brian lonsway
=2E.....................................................................
j erik jonsson distinguished visiting assistant professor.
rensselaer architecture.
lonsway@rpi.edu.
I welcome the variety of interest, but would like to be participating in a
fertile field of generative thinking rather than a static set of focused
monologues.
and/
department of public works