BK interviews Scott at the bar while VJ & ND are seated at the table with Nicholas

SCOTT

Do you have any effects with your PA?

BK	Effects? What do you mean?

SCOTT

Can you make it flange and delay and--

BK	Yeah. We make that later.

SCOTT

Like a microphone...

BK	We make it straight now.

SCOTT

Yeah. You can add it on later. I'm ready to go. My name is Scott and I'm a Manhattanite. And the waterfront in Manhattan is beautiful. There should be a portion of it definitely dedicated to free space. Unlimited free space, that's probably the big solution. Right? You would agree?

BK	How do you think the waterfront should be? What direction should the development go - in reference to unlimited free space?

SCOTT

I think there's a few spaces that seem to serve something that would answer a lot of homeless problems. Which also could be related to lack of work. I think a community could be built on another island that produces somethin' in that island's interest but, also mass marketed through Manhattan, as well as the rest of the world.

BK	Did you ever hear of the city's comprehensive waterfront plan?

SCOTT

No. No, I haven't.

BK	Have you observed any changes along the waterfront?

SCOTT

In what space? Where?

BK	Redevelopment. For example, the west side here.

SCOTT

Over the past five years, the development seems to have gotten better. It's big and crazy. But the parts that are for commuters who are biking or runners, whatever. Everybody that goes to the edge is pretty clean. It seems very safe. I don't like the way it's policed. But, it seems like they're doing something better here than five years ago. It seemed like lots more dilapidated shit all around.

BK	What about access? How do you access the waterfront? Do you think the access is okay?

SCOTT

No. The access is hard sometimes. Depending on the traffic. There probably should be more over-the-road bridges or under-the-road access. But, it's an island and this is the edge of it so, under is probably not too good. Over. It would have to be over and that's more building. It's kinda nuts, too.

BK	What are your experiences of unlimited free space?

SCOTT

For a portion of my life, I lived in the mountainous region of upstate New York. That freedom was to get up and not hear any noise or smell any pollution, see any garbage or a lotta people. No traffic. And I could go walking for free anywhere. It was 3-D TV. You were alive. But it was hard to make a living. So, I commute from there now. I live in the city pretty much full time. But I still go to the mountains.

BK	Do you think that free space has something to do with quantity?

SCOTT

No. Quality.

BK	What kind of quality?

SCOTT

Well, if the word "free" is being used, that's the buzz word: it's gotta mean a lotta things.

BK	You're right. What does it mean for you, personally?

SCOTT

You started saying access. It's gotta be accessible for everybody. Whoever wants to go there. Because we're in an insecure world, security can be a question. Security can be worked on. But, in general...

BK	You think that it is necessary for this space to have the amount of security that we have now?

SCOTT

It doesn't have to be an amount. It's gotta be the quality, the style of it. I work in theater and rock and roll and TV and I work events that have half a million people at them. Like Woodstock. Half a million people were there. And I saw the security force and the way they-- And you work around the city and you have twenty thousand people in a square block. How do you move them around? I understand all that.

BK	Did you ever experience unlimited free space in Manhattan?

SCOTT

Not in Manhattan.

BK

Why not?

SCOTT

Not enough people are behind it or know enough to organize with it. You need more organization.

BK	Do you think that it's possible to experience unlimited free space momentarily?

SCOTT

Proportionately, yeah.

BK	So, even in Manhattan, you think it's possible to have moments?

SCOTT

Yeah. I think people can buy. I think people are buying buildings and leasing them or selling parts of them to friends and having networked businesses in the same building and making money. That's pretty free for themselves. Not everybody can come into their space but it's something they created.

BK	What do you think is the main obstacle to unlimited free space?

SCOTT

Organization.

BK	Organization. Okay. Do you think a disorganized space would be freer than an organized space?

SCOTT

No. You wouldn't over-organize. It would just have to be some kind of simple system of having it organized, promoted--

BK	This space is too organized in a way: Manhattan.

SCOTT

There are places that are over-organized.

BK	What about this bar?

SCOTT

I never been in the place before - What time is it now? Five to three?

BK	Quarter to three.

SCOTT

Well, I been around in this neighborhood and in a few different places. I don't normally go into bars. I'm not a heavy bar person. So, I don't wanna judge it compared to other bars. It's pretty cool, though.

BK	Maybe there are some moments of unlimited free space here?

SCOTT

No.

BK	No! [BK laughs] Okay. Thanks.

Modified December 23, 1997